C++ Filehandling: Difference between ios::app and ios::ate?

What's the difference between ios::ate and ios:app when writing to a file.
In my view, ios::app gives you the ability to move around in the file, whereas with ios::ate it can only read/write at the end of the file. Is this correct?

It’s the other way around. When ios::ate is set, the initial position will be the end of the file, but you are free to seek thereafter. When ios::app is set, all output operations are performed at the end of the file. Since all writes are implicitly preceded by seeks, there is no way to write elsewhere.

They are specified as follows (in 27.5.3.1.4 of C++11):

app seek to end before each write

ate open and seek to end immediately after opening

With ios::app the write position in the file is "sticky" -- all writes are at the end, no matter where you seek.

Haatschii

It is pretty good documented here.

ios::ate "sets the stream's position indicator to the end of the stream on opening."

ios::app "set the stream's position indicator to the end of the stream before each output operation."

This means the difference that ios::ate puts your position to the end of the file when you open it. ios::app instead puts it at the end of the file every time you flush your stream. If for example you two programs that write to the same log file ios::ate will override anything that was added to the file by the other program since your program opened it. ios:app will instead jump to the end of file each time your program adds a log entry.