What are the chances of losing a UDP packet?

Question

Okay, so I am programming for my networking course and I have to implement a project in Java using UDP. We are implementing an HTTP server and client along with a \'gremlin\' fu

Answer 1

Packet loss happens for multiple reasons. Primarily it is caused by errors on individual links and network congestion.

Packet loss due to errors on the link is very low, when links are working properly. Less than 0.01% is not unusual.

Packet loss due to congestion obviously depends on how busy the link is. If there is spare capacity along the entire path, this number will be 0%. But as the network gets busy, this number will increase. When flow control is done properly, this number will not get very high. A couple of lost packets is usually enough that somebody will reduce their transmission speed enough to stop packets getting lost due to congestion.

If packet loss ever reaches 1% something is wrong. That something could be a bug in how your congestion control algorithm responds to packet loss. If it keeps sending packets at the same rate, when the network is congested and losing packets, the packet loss can be pushed much higher, 99% packet loss is possible if software is misbehaving. But this depends on the types of links involved. Gigabit Ethernet uses backpressure to control the flow, so if the path from source to destination is a single Gigabit Ethernet segment, the sending application may simply be slowed down and never see actual packet loss.

For testing behaviour of software in case of packet loss, I would suggest two different simulations.

1. On each packet drop it with a probability of 10% and transmit it with a probability of 90%
2. Transmit up to 100 packets per second or up to 100KB per second, and drop the rest if the application would send more.

Answer 2

if UDP is by definition unreliable, why am I having to simulate unreliability here?

It is very useful to have a controlled mechanism to simulate worst case scenarios and how both your client and server can respond to them. The instructor will likely want you to demonstrate how robust the system can be.

You are also talking about payload validity here and not just packet loss.

This led me to question whether or not UDP, lose a packet, corrupt a packet, or deliver it out of order if the server and client were two processes on the same machine and it wasn't having to go out over the actual network.

It is obviously less likely over the loopback adapter, but this is not impossible.

I found a few forum posts on the topic here and here.

I am also wondering what the chances of actually losing a packet, having it corrupted, or having them delivered out of order in reality would usually be over the internet between two geographically distant hosts.

This question would probably need to be narrowed down a bit. There are several factors both application level (packet size and frequency) as well as limitations/traffic of routers and switches along the path.

I couldn't find any hard numbers on this but it seems to be fairly low... like sub 5%.

You may be interested in The Internet Traffic Report and possibly pages such as this.